Michael Wolff: ‘I Spent About 3 Hours With the President Over the Course of the Campaign and in the White House’

By A.J. Katz 

Journalist Michael Wolff kicked off a media tour for his explosive new book on the Trump administration, Fire and Fury: Inside the Trump White House, with a sit-down on the Today Show with Savannah Guthrie.

The book was supposed to hit bookstores Monday, but the publication date has been moved up to Friday, Jan. 5 at 9 a.m. ET.

Before getting into the book itself, Guthrie addressed the news that President Trump’s lawyers sent an 11-page cease and desist letter to Wolff and the publisher of Fire and Fury, Henry Holt & Co.


Wolff responded by saying it was odd the letter was sent before they even read the book, and remarked, “Where do I send a box of chocolates?” (meaning Wolff believes the move helps to sell more books).

“He is helping me prove the point of the book. It is extraordinary that the president of the United States would try and stop the publication of the book. This didn’t happen with other presidents, nor would it happen with the CEO of a midsize company.”

Guthrie then brought up the below tweet:

“Did you talk to the president, did you interview the president for the book?” Guthrie then asked directly.

“I absolutely spoke to the president. Whether he realized it was an interview, or not, I don’t know, but it certainly was not off-the-record.”

“Did you speak to him at the White House, after he was sworn in?” asked Guthrie.

“Yes, I spoke to him after the inauguration. I have spent about three hours with the president over the course of the campaign and in the White House. My window into Donald Trump is pretty significant. Even more to the point, I spoke to people who spoke to the president on a daily, sometimes maybe minute-by-minute basis. In a sense there was one question on my mind when I began this book: What is it like to work with Donald Trump, how can you work with Donald Trump, and how do you feel having worked with Donald Trump?”

“One of the things we have to count on is Donald Trump will to attack,” Wolff continued. “He will send lawyers letters. This is a 35-year history of how he operates.”

When asked, Wolff said that he indeed did have recordings, notes, and is comfortable with everything he has reported.

When Guthrie asked if he would release those notes and recordings because “your credibility is being questioned,” Wolff responded, “My credibility is being questioned by a man who has less credibility than anyone who has ever walked this earth at this point.” (He didn’t directly answer the first part of the question).

“You stand by everything in the book … Nothing made up?” asked Guthrie.

“Nothing made up,” responded Wolff.

He later stated that “100 percent” of the people around Trump question his intelligence and fitness for office, including former White House chief strategist Steve Bannon who “evolved” and ultimately came to the conclusion that Trump is unfit to fulfill his job as president.

Wolff also noted Trump’s senior officials say he’s a “moron, an idiot. Actually, there’s a competition to get to the bottom line here of who this man is. Let’s remember, this man does not read, does not listen. So he’s like a pinball just shooting off the sides.”

The one thing they have in common, he said, is that they all compare him to a child: “He has a need for immediate gratification, it’s all about him.”

Admitting that he flattered his way into getting the unprecedented access, Wolff later told Guthrie, “I certainly said whatever I needed to get the story.”

(Full disclosure: Wolff had a year-long stint as Adweek editorial director from 2010 to October 2011).